MINUTES 
                                           
                            SENATE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE 
                              Tuesday, April 13, 2004 
                                     9:00 a.m. 
                              Capitol Extension E1.030 
                                           
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on Finance was  
         held on Tuesday, April 13, 2004, in the Capitol Extension, Room  
         E1.030, at Austin, Texas. 
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Steve Ogden                     Senator Royce West 
         Senator Judith Zaffirini 
         Senator Kip Averitt 
         Senator Gonzalo Barrientos 
         Senator Kim Brimer 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Kyle Janek 
         Senator Jane Nelson 
         Senator Florence Shapiro 
         Senator Eliot Shapleigh 
         Senator Todd Staples 
         Senator John Whitmire 
         Senator Tommy Williams 
                                           
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         A joint hearing of the Senate Finance Committee and the Senate  
         Infrastructure Development and Security Committee was held.   
         Chairmen Ogden and Staples shared presiding duties. 
          
         Chairman Staples called the Senate Infrastructure Development  
         and Security Committee to order at 9:01 a.m.  Vice-Chair  
         Zaffirini called the Senate Finance Committee to order at 9:01  
         a.m. The following business was transacted:    
          
         The Committees heard invited testimony on the Finance  
         Committee's charge relating to Funding for Homeland Security  
         and the Infrastructure Development and Security Committee's  
         charge # 6.  Witnesses registering and testifying on the interim  
         charges are shown on the attached list. 
          
         The clerk called a joint roll call of both Committees.  A quorum  
         was present for both the Senate Infrastructure Development and  
         Security Committee and the Senate Finance Committee. 
          
         Invited testimony resumed. 
          
         At 12:06 p.m. Senator Staples moved that the Senate  
  
         Infrastructure Development and Security Committee stand recessed  
         until 1:15 p.m. in room E1.028 of the Capitol Extension.   
         Without objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         At 12:07 p.m. Senator Ogden moved that the Senate Finance  
         Committee stand recessed until 1:45 p.m. in room E1.036 of the  
         Capitol Extension.  Without objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         The Senate Finance Committee reconvened at 1:48 p.m. 
                                                       
         The Committee heard invited testimony on the Committee's interim  
         charge relating to Budget Certification.  Witnesses registering  
         and testifying on the interim charge are shown on the attached  
         list. 
          
         At 2:00 p.m. Senator Ogden recognized Senator Ellis as being  
         present at the hearing. 
          
         Invited testimony resumed. 
          
         The Committee heard invited testimony on the Committee's interim  
         charge relating to Adult and Juvenile Corrections Populations.   
         Witnesses registering and testifying on the interim charge are  
         shown on the attached list. 
          
         There being no further business, at 3:29 p.m. Senator Ogden  
         moved that the Committee stand recessed subject to the call of  
         the chair.  Without objection, it was so ordered.   
          
         ______________________ 
         Senator Steve Ogden, Chair 
          
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         Amy Jeter, Clerk