Wednesday, May 9, 2001 
                           1:30 p.m. or upon adjournment 
                                   Senate Chamber 
         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate  
         Rule 11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on  
         Redistricting was held on Wednesday, May 9, 2001, in  
         the Senate Chamber at Austin, Texas. 
         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Jeff Wentworth                  Senator David Cain 
         Senator Mike Jackson                    Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister              Senator Florence  
         Senator Rodney Ellis 
         Senator Judith Zaffirini 
         The chair called the meeting to order at 1:31 p.m.  A  
         quorum was not present at any time.  The following  
         business was transacted:   
         The following members arrived after the roll was  
         Senator Armbrister 
         Senator Ellis 
         Senator Jackson 
         Due to lack of a quorum, committee minutes from the  
         previous meeting on Monday, May 7, 2001, were not  
         The chair announced SB 500 and SB 501 are Congressional  
         and State Board of Education bills that were introduced  
         earlier in the 77th Legislative Session.  The chair  
         explained SB 500 and SB 501 are shell bills, which will  
         eventually be replaced by the Congressional and State  
         Board of Education plans the committee decides to  
         adopt.  The chair announced that committee staff have  
         been working on those plans, but he did not have  
         proposed Congressional or State Board of Education  
         plans ready for this meeting.   
         The chair reported that the Senate and House Committees  
         on Redistricting held a joint hearing on April 5, 2001.   
         The primary purpose of that hearing was to hear  
         testimony about Congressional and State Board of  
         Education plans from people throughout the state.   
         While the focus of the most recent committee meetings  
         has been on Senate districts, committee members  
         continually received input from people with interest in  
         Congressional and State Board of Education  
         redistricting, and this meeting served as another  
         opportunity for committee members to listen to  
         testimony about those district lines.   
         The chair announced that Friday, May 11, 2001, is the  
         last day for committees to report bills out of  
         Public testimony was taken on Congressional and State  
         Board of Education redistricting, and committee members  
         questioned the witnesses.  The chair directed committee  
         members' attention to letters sent to the committee  
         regarding  redistricting.   
         Senator Jackson assumed the chair at 2:04 p.m.  Senator  
         Wentworth resumed the chair at 2:06 p.m.   
         The chair recognized Senator Armbrister to explain his  
         Congressional plan, identified as PLAN 1008C on the  
         Texas Legislative Council's REDAPPL system.  Senator  
         Armbrister stated that in PLAN 1008C, no incumbents are  
         paired, only 14 counties are split, and two new  
         Congressional districts were formed, one in Harris  
         County and one in Dallas County.  Senator Armbrister  
         explained that in PLAN 1008C, all of the incumbents  
         live in their own districts.  Congressman Green lives  
         on the border of his current Congressional District  
         (District 19) and the newly created Harris County  
         Congressional District.  Senator Armbrister also noted  
         that when the Hobby-Rylander race results were applied  
         to PLAN 1008C, 10-11 safe Republican districts were  
         created, eight to nine safe Democrat districts were  
         created, and the remaining districts were swing  
         districts.  Population deviation within each district  
         ranges from -.04 to .06 in his plan.  Committee members  
         asked Senator Armbrister questions about his plan.   
         The chair reminded committee members about the  
         Thursday, May 10, 2001, meeting of the Committee of the  
         Whole Senate.  The chair also announced that the  
         committee would meet at an undetermined time in the  
         afternoon on Friday, May 11, 2001, to consider HB 150,  
         the House redistricting plan.   
         There being no further business, at 2:41 p.m. Senator  
         Zaffirini moved that the committee recess until Friday  
         afternoon, subject to the call of the chair.  There  
         being no objection, the committee recessed.   
         Senator Jeff Wentworth, Chair 
         Erica Sadlon, Clerk