Thursday, April 5, 2001 
                           4:00 p.m. or upon adjournment 
                 House Appropriations Committee Room, Number E1.030 
         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.18, a joint public hearing of the Senate Committee on  
         Redistricting and the House Committee on Redistricting was  
         held on Thursday, April 5, 2001, in the House  
         Appropriations Committee Room, Number E1.030, in the state  
         capitol at Austin, Texas. 
         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Jeff Wentworth                  Senator Rodney Ellis 
         Senator Mike Jackson 
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister 
         Senator David Cain 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Florence Shapiro 
         Senator Judith Zaffirini 
         The Senate Committee on Redistricting held a joint hearing  
         with the House Committee on Redistricting.   
         The Senate chair called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.   
         A quorum was established at 4:10 p.m. with the arrival of  
         Senator Shapiro.  The following business was transacted:   
         The following members arrived after the roll was called: 
         Senator David Cain 
         Senator Duncan 
         Senator Shapiro 
         Senator Duncan arrived late due to a meeting of the Senate  
         Natural Resources Committee.  Senator Ellis was absent from  
         the meeting because he was in Washington, D.C., on official  
         state business.   
         Senator Armbrister moved to adopt the committee minutes  
         from the previous hearing on March 29, 2001.  There being  
         no objection, the minutes were adopted.   
         The chairs provided opening remarks.  The Senate chair  
         announced that committee rules require each witness to  
         complete two witness cards - one for the Senate Committee  
         and one for the House Committee.  The Senate chair also  
         announced this hearing could be viewed on television in the  
         overflow rooms of E1.026 and E1.028.   
         Due to the large number of attendees wishing to testify,  
         the chairs requested witnesses limit their testimony to six  
         minutes or less, if possible.  The chairs also asked  
         witnesses to identify themselves and state whom they  
         represent.  The House chair announced a quorum of the House  
         Committee on Redistricting was present.   
         Public testimony was taken, and committee members  
         questioned witnesses.   
         The House chair entered into the record a written statement  
         from Representative Barry Telford urging that the 1st  
         Congressional District be maintained intact.   
         The House chair also recognized Doug Markham, who was  
         involved in the settlement of litigation involving the 1990  
         There being no further business, at 10:25 p.m., Senator  
         Wentworth announced that the Committee stand in recess,  
         subject to the call of the chair.  Without objection, the  
         committee recessed.   
         Senator Jeff Wentworth, Chair 
         Erica Sadlon, Clerk