Minutes 
                                                        Tuesday, January 16,2001 
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                                       MINUTES 
                                            
                             SENATE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE 
                              Tuesday, January 16, 2001 
                                      9:00 a.m. 
                            Capitol Extension, Room E1.036 
                                            
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      Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule 11.18, a  
      public hearing of the Senate Committee on Finance was held on Tuesday,  
      January 16, 2001, in the Capitol Extension, Room E1.036, at Austin,  
      Texas. 
       
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      MEMBERS PRESENT:                           MEMBERS ABSENT: 
      Senator Rodney Ellis                        
      Senator Chris Harris 
      Senator Gonzalo Barrientos 
      Senator Robert Duncan 
      Senator Troy Fraser 
      Senator Tom Haywood 
      Senator Mike Jackson 
      Senator Jon Lindsay 
      Senator Eddie Lucio, Jr. 
      Senator Steve Ogden 
      Senator Carlos Truan 
      Senator John Whitmire 
      Senator Judith Zaffirini 
                                            
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      The chair called the meeting to order at 9:05 a.m.  There being a quorum  
      present, the following business was transacted:   
       
      The following members arrived after the roll was called:   
      Senator Gonzalo Barrientos 
      Senator Robert Duncan 
      Senator Troy Fraser 
      Senator Jon Lindsay 
      Senator Steve Ogden 
      Senator John Whitmire 
       
      The Chair laid out the proposed Committee Rules previously distributed  
      to the members.  Senator Zaffirini submitted changes.  Senator Harris   
      moved to adopt the rules with the amendments submitted by Senator  
      Zaffirini. Senator Truan seconded the motion.  Hearing no objection the  
      rules were adopted as amended by Senator Zaffirini. 
       
      The Chair stated that starting Monday, January 22, 2001 the Committee  
      would start meeting a 8:00 am.  The schedule will be  Monday through  
      Thursday and possibly on Fridays, if necessary, to stay on schedule. 
       
      The Chair recognized the following witnesses to provide testimony  
      regarding Legislative Budget Board (LBB) recommendations: 
  
           Texas Health and Human Services Commission 
           Don Gilbert, Commissioner 
              The Commissioner started his testimony by answering questions  
              asked by the Committee on January 11, 2001.  Mr. Gilbert  
              continued his testimony with an overview of the requested budget  
              and answered many questions asked by the Committee. 
       
           Texas Department of Criminal Justice 
           Tony Fabelo, Ph.D., Executive Director, Criminal Justice Policy  
      Council  
              Dr. Fabelo answered questions directed at him as to his job and  
              a description of what his responsibilities are.  Dr. Fabelo  
              explained that the Criminal Justice Policy Council is  
              independent from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice and  
              every other criminal justice agency in the state.  He is guided  
              by the Governor, the Lt. Governor, the Chairman of Senate   
              Finance,  the Chairman of House Appropriations, the Chairman of  
              House Corrections and the Chairman of Senate Criminal Justice.   
              His role is to provide policy analysis to the above group and  
              the Legislature to use in developing and evaluating criminal and  
              juvenile justice policy.  
           David Mc Nutt, Director of Financial Services, Texas Department of  
      Criminal Justice  
              Answered questions as to the salaries of correctional officers  
              and other questions directed to him by the Committee.   
           Mac Stringfellow, Chairman, Texas Board of Criminal Justice 
              Answered questions regarding the seven prisoners that escaped in  
              December and to the events that lead to that escape.  He also  
              spoke to the report that had just been published regarding the  
              investigation of the escape.  
           Wayne Scott, Executive Director, Texas Department of Criminal  
      Justice 
              Answered questions about personnel requests in budget and other  
              questions directed to him by the Committee. 
       
      At 10:40 a.m. Senator Ellis moved that the committee stand recessed  
      until after adjournment of the Senate; without objection, it was so  
      ordered.   
       
      At 12:36 p.m. the committee reconvened.  
       
       The Committee continued with questions to the Texas Department of  
      Criminal Justice and the witnesses listed above. 
       
      The Chair recognized John O'Brien, Assistant Director, and liaison from  
      the LBB to the Senate Finance Committee.  He explained the Legislative  
      Budget Estimates document, the  Board's Budget and Performance Summaries  
      and a third document that is new for this session.  He also answered  
      questions from the Committee. 
       
           Governor's Budget Priorities 
           John Opperman, Director 
              John apologized for the fact that the Committee didn't get  
              copies of the proposed budget sooner.  He gave an overview of  
              the Governor's priorities.  The Governor is very concerned about  
         
              state employees and issues they face.  He spoke about the use of  
              GARVEE Bonds for revenue.  He answered many questions from the  
              Committee. 
           David Reisman, Budget Analyst 
                Spoke to issues in the Governor's budget.  Answered many  
      questions from the Committee. 
           Cecile Young, Assistant Director 
                Spoke to issues in the Governor's budget. Answered many  
      questions from the Committee. 
       
      John O' Brien, Assistant Director, LBB was called back  to answer  
      questions from Senator Truan about TEA in regard to Adult Education.   
      John O' Brien called on Ursula Parks, LBB staff, to respond to specific  
      questions.  John O'Brien pointed out some new information in the  
      Legislative Budget Estimates and wanted Rick Travis, Manager for the  
      Business and Economic Development Department on LBB, to give a broad  
      overview of the new information in Articles VII and VIII.   
       
           Texas State Board of Public Accountancy 
           William Treacy, Executive Director 
           Mr. Treacy gave a brief overview of the Board and introduced  
         members in attendance. 
           K. Michael Conaway, Board Member 
                Mr. Conaway spoke to some specific requests of the proposed  
      budget and projections for the future. 
           Jimmie Lee Mason, Board Member & Chairman of the  Regulatory  
      Compliance Committee 
                Made brief comments about the Board.  Answered questions from  
      the Committee. 
       
           Registering, but not testifying: 
           Billy M. Atkinson, Board Member 
           Jerry Davis, Board Member 
           Alan Hermanson, Member 
           Robert Owen, Member 
       
           Texas Board of Professional Engineers 
           Rick Travis, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Victoria Hsu, Executive Director 
                Ms. Hsu gave an overview and functions of the Board.  Answered  
      questions from the Committee. 
           E.D. "Dave" Dorchester, Chairman of the Board 
              Spoke of the growth and increased work and scope of the Board.   
              Answered questions from the Committee.  
        
           Registering, but not testifying: 
           Joe Rocha,  Board Member 
       
           Texas Board of Architectural Examiners 
           Rick Travis, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Cathy C. Hendricks, Executive Director 
                Made introductions of board members and gave a general  
      overview of proposed budget.  Answered  
                questions from the Committee. 
       
           Steve Ellinger, Chairman of the Board 
              Spoke of increased salaries for employees and other funding  
         
              issues of the Board.  Answered questions from Committee members.  
           Gordon E. Landreth, Board  Member   
                Spoke to items 3 & 4 of the exceptional items in the proposed  
      budget. 
       
           Public testimony: 
           Ben T. Wilson II,  Texas Society of Architects 
                Spoke against a professional fee increase 
       
           State Office of Administrative Hearings 
           Heidi Lopez-Cepero, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Shelia Bailey Taylor,  Chief Administrative Law Judge 
              Introduced Board members and answered questions from the  
              Committee. Gave an overview of the agency and some of the  
              problems they face. 
       
           Texas Structural Pest Control Board 
           Kimberley Maddox, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Gary Gillen, Vice-Chair of Board 
              Spoke of the main goals of the agency, the changes brought about  
              by Federal mandates and the need for pay raises for staff. 
           Benny Mathis, Executive Director 
                Spoke to specific request in proposed budget.  Answered  
      questions from Committee. 
       
           Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners 
           Ed Robertson, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Ron Allen, Executive Director 
              Spoke to some of the specific requests in the proposed budget  
              and gave an overview of the future  needs of the agency.   
              Answered questions from the Committee. 
       
           Registering but not testifying: 
           Keith H, Cole, CFO of the Board 
       
           Texas Cosmetology Commission 
           Heidi Lopez-Cepero, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Henry O'Neal Holifield, Executive Director 
              Introduced new staff; Don L. Nall, Director of Enforcement and  
              Adriana De La Cruz, Accountant.  He gave an overview of the  
              proposed budget, exceptional items and changes in the  
              commission.  
           Comer J. Cottrell, Chairman 
              Spoke to specific items in the proposed budget and spoke to the  
              need for an increase in pay  for their Executive Director.  
           Sandra Donahue, SAO, Office of the State Auditor 
            
           State Board of Barber Examiners 
           Heidi Lopez-Cepero, LBB Budget Analyst 
           William King Brown, Executive Director 
              Introduced Board member and staff.  Spoke to the exceptional  
              items in proposed budget request. 
       
           Registering, but not testifying: 
           Charles E. Williams, Board Member 
       
      Senator Harris in Chair. 
  
           State Board of Plumbing Examiners 
           Ed Robertson, LBB Budget Analyst 
           Robert L. Maxwell, Administrator 
              Introduced  Board members.  Gave general overview of proposed  
              budget.  Answered questions  from the Committee. 
       
           Registering, but not testifying: 
           Richard L. Herman, Board Member 
       
           Texas Funeral Service Commission 
           Rick Travis, LBB Budget Analyst 
           O.C. "Chet" Robbins, Executive Director 
              Introduced staff and Board members present.  Mr. Robbins gave a  
              brief summery of the previous year, overview of work done and  
              answered questions from the Committee.  Senator Harris stated  
              that the commission went through a pretty rough scrubbing during  
              the Sunset hearings. 
       
      There being no further business, Senator Harris moved that the Committee  
      stand recessed until 8:00 a.m., Wednesday, January 17,2001.  Without  
      objection, it was so ordered.    
         
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      Senator Rodney Ellis, Chair 
       
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      Myra  J. Schmitt, Clerk