SENATE COMMITTEE ON STATE AFFAIRS 
                             Thursday, October 28, 1999 
                                      10:00 am 
                                   Senate Chamber 
         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on State Affairs  
         was held on Thursday, October 28, 1999 in the Senate Chamber at  
         Austin, Texas. 
         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Florence Shapiro                Senator J.E. Brown 
         Senator Eliot Shapleigh                 Senator Eddie Lucio, Jr. 
         Senator David Bernsen                   Senator Drew Nixon 
         Senator David Cain 
         Senator Tom Haywood 
         Senator Jeff Wentworth 
         The Chair called the meeting to order at 10:15 am.  There being  
         a quorum present, the following business was transacted.   
         The Chair made opening remarks regarding the committee's number  
         and scope of charges.  The Senator advised that the committee  
         would be traveling throughout the state during the next several  
         months since all of the issues facing the committee affect all  
         areas of the state.  There was discussion of the importance of  
         the transportation issues and that we will hold several joint  
         meetings with the Committee on Border Affairs to study those  
         issues which we share.  The Chair notified the committee that  
         she is assigning Senator Haywood as the State Affairs liaison on  
         the ERS charge which we share with Senate Finance.  
         The Chair asked if there were any questions or changes to the  
         draft interim State Affairs rules.  There being no questions or  
         changes, Senator Shapleigh moved adoption of the interim rules.   
         There being no objection, the rules were adopted. 
         The members discussed the preliminary draft timeline for future  
         committee meetings.  Senator Shapiro advised that there was one  
         change to the draft which changed the November meeting from the  
         18th to the 19th.  There being no further changes or  objections  
         to the proposed timeline, it was approved. 
         After completing the committee's organizational business, the  
         Chair began on charge number 7 dealing with evaluating the cost  
         effectiveness of the purchase of insurance and surety bonds by  
         state agencies and institutions, including an evaluation of  
         premiums paid and claims recovered. 
         The Chair called invited testimony from the Office of the State  
         Auditor and the State Office of Risk Management.  Witnesses  
         registering on this charge are shown on the attached list.    
         The Chair asked Linda Adams from the State Office of Risk  
         Management if they would have better numbers available to be  
         presented to the committee in the January or February time  
         frame.  Ms. Adams advised that the agency would be ready with  
         updated and more reliable data at that time.  Senator Shapiro  
         asked the committee if this charge could be held over for a  
         later date so that they could have the new data.  There being no  
         objection, this charge was held over to be heard again at a  
         later time. 
         The Chair called invited testimony from the Texas Department of  
         Transportation and the Texas Transit Association to testify  
         regarding charge number 6 dealing with the study of whether  
         certain types of vehicles such as buses for mass transit, EMS  
         and fire fighting vehicles, and heavy trucks should be subject  
         to all of the licensing requirements applicable to automobile  
         The Chair opened public testimony on charge number 6.  Witnesses  
         registering on this issue are shown on the attached list.   
         Public testimony was closed, without objection, it was so  
         There being no further business, at 12:55 pm Senator Shapiro  
         moved that the Committee be adjourned. Without objection, it was  
         so ordered.   
         Senator Florence Shapiro, Chair                   Cindy R.